{"id":192516,"date":"2020-01-04T09:54:42","date_gmt":"2020-01-04T06:54:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/ww-vb.mine.nu\/w108\/the-impeachment-question-democrats-didnt-answer-during-the-debate\/"},"modified":"2020-01-04T09:54:42","modified_gmt":"2020-01-04T06:54:42","slug":"the-impeachment-question-democrats-didnt-answer-during-the-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/the-impeachment-question-democrats-didnt-answer-during-the-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"The Impeachment Question Democrats Didn\u2019t Answer During the Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> [ad_1]<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>One <span data-page=\"page_1\"\/>factor that made it hard, this week, to really feel the historic weight of the House\u2019s vote to impeach <a class=\"ArticleBody__link___1FS03\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/tag\/donald-trump\">President Donald Trump<\/a> was how little it came up during the Democratic Presidential debate in Los Angeles on Thursday night. That needn\u2019t have been the case. Not even twenty-four hours had elapsed since the two articles passed and, as in the <a class=\"ArticleBody__link___1FS03\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/daily-comment\/answers-to-the-impeachment-question-at-the-democratic-debate\">October<\/a> and <a class=\"ArticleBody__link___1FS03\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/daily-comment\/how-impeachment-played-at-the-democratic-debate-in-atlanta\">November debates<\/a>, an impeachment question was the first posed to the candidates. Judy Woodruff, of PBS, noted that all of the candidates supported impeachment. \u201cBut, unlike 1974 and President Nixon, congressional Democrats have so far not convinced a strong majority of Americans to support impeachment of President Trump,\u201d she said. \u201cWhy do you think that is, and what can you say or do differently in the coming weeks to persuade more Americans that this is the right thing to do?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That query could have set up a compelling tactical, political, and even philosophical exchange about the historical differences between Trump and Nixon, particularly with regard to the support each has received from his party (there were Republicans who turned away from Nixon) and how to approach a trial; Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, seems to be holding off on sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate, where an acquittal now seems almost certain. But, apart from Senator Amy Klobuchar, of Minnesota, and the businessman and universal-basic-income advocate Andrew Yang, in his inimitable way, the candidates either dodged the question or changed the subject.<\/p>\n<p>Woodruff turned first to former Vice-President Joe Biden. \u201cYou know, Judy, it was a constitutional necessity for the House to act as it did,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd, you know, Trump\u2019s response, to suggest that <em class=\"\">only<\/em> half of the American people want to see him thrown out of office now, I find, is dumbing down the Presidency beyond what I even thought he would do.\u201d Perhaps, but it was hard to discern what Biden thought was so dumb: Trump bragging that \u201conly\u201d half the country wanted him out? Or Trump thinking that, absent the strong majority Woodruff spoke of, he should be safe? In a sense, Biden was casting doubt on the premise of Woodruff\u2019s question, which was <em class=\"\">not<\/em> dumb: that a democratic consensus on impeachment, and not just a consensus among Democrats, is still worth fighting for. After all, if there is a constitutional necessity\u2014and the evidence suggests that there is\u2014then it might yet be explicable to more Americans.<\/p>\n<p>Biden was ready to fight, but the battle, he suggested, was going to center not on the impeachment proceedings but on the 2020 campaign trail. Indeed, he drew a distinction between those tasks. \u201cMy job, and I think the job of all of us up here, is to, in fact\u2014well, that\u2019s not true, some are going to actually be voting in the Senate\u2014but my job is just to go out and make the case why he doesn\u2019t deserve to be President of the United States for another four years.\u201d (The senator-candidates who will be voting include Klobuchar; Bernie Sanders, of Vermont; and Elizabeth Warren, of Massachusetts; along with Cory Booker, of New Jersey, and Michael Bennet, of Colorado, who did not qualify for the debate.) Biden referred to impeachment at another point, too, if obliquely. The subject was co\u00f6perating with Republicans, which Biden said he was willing to do, even though \u201cif anyone has reason to be angry with the Republicans, and not want to co\u00f6perate, it\u2019s me, the way they\u2019ve attacked me, my son, and my family.\u201d There was applause, and no other candidate even mentioned Hunter Biden, whose relationship with Burisma, a Ukrainian gas company, forms an element of the impeachment story.<\/p>\n<p>Sanders was next, and he told Woodruff that he would approach the issue by reminding people that Trump was, basically, awful. \u201cWhat I would say is that we have a President who is a pathological liar. We have a President who is running the most corrupt Administration in the modern history of this country, and we have a President who is a fraud.\u201d All true, but the essence of that fraud, Sanders continued, was that Trump had \u201csold out the working families of this country.\u201d Sanders would be \u201cmaking the case\u201d by invoking Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, as well as the President\u2019s general dishonesty and \u201ctemperament.\u201d Those are not quite the charges laid out in the articles of impeachment; Sanders didn\u2019t mention Ukraine. As with Biden, the case he seemed to be talking about was the one that will be prosecuted at polling stations in 2020.<\/p>\n<p>Warren, when asked what more she thought could be said, called the impeachment a \u201cconstitutional moment,\u201d which made it sound a bit like a spiritual experience. She then all but put the proceedings, and Woodruff\u2019s question, aside by saying, \u201cThat vote will play out over the next several weeks.\u201d Then she was on to the \u201ccorruption\u201d of the political system and the benefits that Trump had delivered to the \u201cwealthy and the well-connected,\u201d including tax breaks and ambassadorships. But she didn\u2019t explicitly draw a line between those American pathologies and the impeachment, even though she had done so in the November debate, with regard to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, who had donated a million dollars to Trump\u2019s Inauguration before becoming entangled in Ukrainian matters. She, too, defined prosecuting \u201cthe case against\u201d Trump as finding a candidate \u201cwilling to get out and<span data-page=\"page_2\"\/> fight not for the wealthy and well-connected but to fight for everyone else.\u201d That, again, is a good case, but not the one heading to the Senate.<\/p>\n<p>Klobuchar was next, and her willingness to try to explain the Ukraine scandal came as a relief. \u201cLet me make the case to the American people,\u201d she began. \u201cAs a wise judge said, the President is not king in America, the law is king.\u201d The judge she seemed to be referring to was Ketanji Brown Jackson, of the D.C. district court, who last month ruled that the President\u2019s aides could be compelled to appear before Congress. That case is <a class=\"ArticleBody__link___1FS03\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2019\/12\/09\/the-next-steps-in-the-impeachment-inquiry\">under appeal<\/a> and is one of the court battles that the Democrats decided not to wait for before proceeding to a vote on impeachment. (Instead, the fight over witnesses became part of the second article, charging obstruction of Congress.) \u201cThis is a global Watergate,\u201d she added. \u201cIn the case of Watergate, a paranoid President facing election looked for dirt on a political opponent. He did it by getting people to break in. This President did it by calling a foreign leader to look for dirt on a political opponent.\u201d Klobuchar went on to list more witnesses who might be called, such as John Bolton, the former national-security adviser, \u201cwho told his own staff to go see a lawyer after they met with the President.\u201d Trump, she suggested, was \u201cscared.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Then came Mayor Pete Buttigieg, of South Bend, Indiana. \u201cThis is beyond public opinions. This is beyond polls. This is beyond politics,\u201d he said, as if being beyond things made them go away. He thought that while people might feel that they were watching \u201cWashington go through the motions,\u201d they shouldn\u2019t \u201cgive in to that sense of helplessness, because that\u2019s what they want. They want us to be taken in by that cynicism to where we give up on the process altogether.\u201d (Buttigieg didn\u2019t say who \u201cthey\u201d were, other than that \u201ctheir allies are laughing all the way to the bank.\u201d) But the process he didn\u2019t want people to feel helpless about was not, apparently, impeachment but the Presidential campaign: \u201cNo matter what happens in the Senate, it is up to us in 2020. <em class=\"\">This<\/em> is our chance to refuse to be taken in by the helplessness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But at least Buttigieg was thinking about future moves; Tom Steyer, the businessman, began by boasting about old ones. \u201cLet me remind everyone that I\u2019m the person who started the Need to Impeach Movement, over two years ago,\u201d he began. The audience applauded, and yet Steyer didn\u2019t really manage to explain the connection between a campaign he began to fund more than a year before Trump\u2019s call with the Ukrainian President, <a class=\"ArticleBody__link___1FS03\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/magazine\/2019\/11\/04\/how-trumps-emissaries-put-pressure-on-ukraines-new-president\">Volodymyr Zelensky<\/a>, and the articles of impeachment that the Senate will consider, though he said that he agreed with Klobuchar that getting witnesses \u201con TV\u201d would be good. Steyer mentioned that he had eight and a half million signatures on an online petition\u2014but the petition in question demands impeachment for revelations in the Mueller report and what amounts to violations of the emoluments clause, along with unspecified \u201cmultiple felonies.\u201d It was hard to tell which impeachment he was talking about.<\/p>\n<p>Yang, who had a generally strong debate performance, came last and, in a way unlike any of the others, engaged seriously with the question of <em class=\"\">why<\/em> Americans might not agree on impeachment. First, \u201cwe\u2019re getting our news from different sources, and it\u2019s making it hard for us even to agree on basic facts.\u201d (It is notable that Yang used \u201cwe\u201d in that sentence, rather than \u201cthey.\u201d) He continued, \u201cIf you turn on cable-network news today, you would think he\u2019s our President because of some combination of Russia, racism, Facebook, Hillary Clinton, and e-mails all mixed together.\u201d At least some of those factors undoubtedly did help Trump, but Yang thought that voters weren\u2019t buying it, and that what mattered to them\u2014namely, the disappearance of manufacturing jobs\u2014was being ignored. \u201cThe more we act like Donald Trump is the cause of all our problems, the more Americans lose trust that we can actually see what\u2019s going on in our communities and solve those problems.\u201d It was sort of a version of Buttigieg\u2019s answer, with more of the background and specifics nailed down.<\/p>\n<p>And Yang was more blunt about where he thought the impeachment was headed. \u201cWhat we have to do is we have to stop being obsessed over impeachment, which, unfortunately, strikes many Americans like a ball game where you know what the score is going to be, and start actually digging in and solving the problems that got Donald Trump elected in the first place,\u201d he said. The other candidates, on the whole, hoped to transmute the lessons about Trump\u2019s character and dishonesty which emerged from the impeachment into material for the campaign trail. That might work. But seriously grappling with the Ukraine impeachment case is not something Democrats can really avoid if, in the general election, they want to counter Trump\u2019s complaint that he was somehow railroaded or that this was an impeachment in search of a crime, motivated by a general disdain rather than by high-crime specifics\u2014arguments that the Republicans are already making. When Yang said, of Trump, \u201cMake no mistake, he\u2019ll be there at the ballot box for us to defeat,\u201d he was openly predicting something the others had only implied: Trump would not be removed<span data-page=\"page_final\"\/> by impeachment. But impeachment will be hard to remove from the fight for the Presidency next year.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>[ad_2]<br \/>\n<br \/><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newyorker.com\/news\/daily-comment\/the-impeachment-question-democrats-didnt-answer-during-the-debate\">Source link <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[ad_1] One factor that made it hard, this week, to really feel the historic weight of the House\u2019s vote to impeach President Donald Trump was how little it came up during the Democratic Presidential debate in Los Angeles on Thursday night. That needn\u2019t have been the case. Not even twenty-four hours had elapsed since the &hellip;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[33],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-192516","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-33"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/192516","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=192516"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/192516\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=192516"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=192516"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/hameed.nwar.uk\/sa\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=192516"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}